tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8869803182933929867.post2791649996623716399..comments2023-03-25T06:23:51.866-07:00Comments on Smith 9H 08-09: LOF: Initial Impressionsanneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00573450327737964454noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8869803182933929867.post-35073102063314165042008-09-04T12:57:00.000-07:002008-09-04T12:57:00.000-07:00I wasn't too surprised by the reaction of the kids...I wasn't too surprised by the reaction of the kids when they first found no adults. Hang out with a bunch friends on an Oasis? Sweet! I was a little shocked at how the kids behaved with one another. First, everyone decides on the chief based on his appearance, fitness, and attitude. They chose Ralph over Piggy because Piggy is fat and unappealing. They chose Ralph over Jack because Jack was too snobby and strict. Second,Everyone moves without thinking of one another or of what's important. When Piggy needed names, the kids ignored him for their own fun. When Ralph mentioned the fire, everyone went and started it without taking in the consequences. Piggy is the only one who is trying to really make things work. Parallel topic for a second. In a high school, who do you look to for guidance? Who do you want to hang out with?<BR/><BR/>Go ahead and answer if you want to do so truthfully.<BR/><BR/> I bet that everyone wants to be with and listen to the strongest guy. Everyone loves the football players, everyone loves the tough guy, and everyone wants to hang with the fun guy. Right?<BR/><BR/>Who wants to hear the smart guy talk? He's annoying, makes you feel inferior to him, and sometimes asks you to do things you don't want to do. See what I'm saying? It's the same on the island. Everyone thinks they know everything they need to know to survive. Everyone thinks they don't need to think about what they are going to do, they already know what they're doing anyway. Thinking about it won't change anything, so why bother? <BR/><BR/>The author for this book is doing the same thing as Ray Bradbury did in Fahreinheit 451. He wrote the book to make a point about society and humanity. I've only read the first couple chapters, so maybe there is another message later in the book. Keep an eye out, it might help prove or deny what I said before.BernardoT2012https://www.blogger.com/profile/07494728940464981630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8869803182933929867.post-47625782583462151712008-09-03T19:56:00.000-07:002008-09-03T19:56:00.000-07:00In the begging there is a lot of commotion, and I ...In the begging there is a lot of commotion, and I didn't understand how they got there. Then they all started to group together and made a little community with Ralph as the leader. They were almost seemed excited to be on a deserted island. Alone on and island in the middle of the ocean would drive me insane. Then when Jack couldn't kill the pig i figured that they would all starve to death because they don't want to see a piglet die and have deal with he blood. That is where I would want to have an adult, so then we could have clean, maggot free meat and not all die of disease. Also, Ralph was mean to piggy who seems to be the only one who realize the seriousness of the situation. I will continue reading this odd novel and also annotating.<BR/><BR/>Connorconnormhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05596549133548893220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8869803182933929867.post-55635571998497624342008-09-03T14:03:00.000-07:002008-09-03T14:03:00.000-07:00I agree with the majority of you that this is a we...I agree with the majority of you that this is a weird book. I don’t really like it so far but I hope that will change as I get farther into it. I am only just finished with the first chapter right now. I really am not appreciating the character Ralph. He seems to care more about the power then the people in congregating the meeting. Piggy on the other hand I am fond of. He seems to be very logical and genuinely care about the well being of the individuals on the island. I agree with many people that I am surprised that the children can stay so calm, but I am not entirely sure that the thought of spending the rest of their existence on the island has even crossed their minds. Well, all but Piggy’s. He has certainly thought of that. No I don’t think the children have even thought that no rescue is in store for them. I really don't understand how they came upon this island in the first place though. Why were they on a plane without any adults? Where were they going?kelseyc2012https://www.blogger.com/profile/05404260920455905469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8869803182933929867.post-36715610031659833222008-09-02T20:07:00.000-07:002008-09-02T20:07:00.000-07:00Wow im 54th! ! Anyway at first I thought this book...Wow im 54th! ! Anyway at first I thought this book was truly awful. The beginning was long, boring, and hard to understand. It used way too much mundane detail, which took away from the story. However it does get better though I still don’t like it too much. Still it has some interesting aspects to it. I think the story so far is kind of a metaphor for how human society began and developed because the boys are organizing to survive and are developing the first rules and laws. I think they have done a good job of organizing themselves to be honest. Anyway Jack and Ralph are kind of like corrupt politicians who want to assure the boys everything is alright even when its not because they are afraid of losing their power. Piggy is by far the most interesting character. He is the voice of reason but is also clouted by fear. I think all the boys are terrified but don’t want to show it however so Piggy is not alone… I agree with many other comments that the book has connections to many other works such as Peter Pan, Touching Spirit Bear, Dr. Franklins Island and Swiss Family Robinson. I think though boring it makes some interesting points and will provide some interesting commentary about human society and nature as well as freedom that still apply to today’s society.PaulAB2012https://www.blogger.com/profile/10707730556220483123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8869803182933929867.post-63114025732713065992008-09-02T18:28:00.000-07:002008-09-02T18:28:00.000-07:00Wow! I'm 53rd!!! This is a really good book! It's ...Wow! I'm 53rd!!! This is a really good book! It's kind of wierd though, and its extremely difficult to know who is talking when. That has been the biggest challenge so far. I agree with almost every other person in what they said like their realization, that there were no adults. I also agree that it is wierd that they seem so calm and happy that they are stranded on the island all alone! I believe that this feeling will not last long, because of their carelessness and immature minds. I can't wait to read the rest of the book!NickM2012https://www.blogger.com/profile/05653590466341770439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8869803182933929867.post-67308128591992514862008-09-02T17:42:00.000-07:002008-09-02T17:42:00.000-07:00I found it interesting that the boys initial take ...I found it interesting that the boys initial take of the prediciment is that they don't have to follow the rules anymore. Piggy's first comment is that there are no adults. The pale boy(i forget his name) took his stockings off. How interesting. This leads me to believe that the boys were feeling opressed at home and hence feel like this is an escape. Thus, the reality of the situation does not hit them.kaleidoscope_eyeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15592051489757676353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8869803182933929867.post-7648117816545056692008-09-02T16:44:00.000-07:002008-09-02T16:44:00.000-07:00Forty-eight comments later, I'm back to say some s...Forty-eight comments later, I'm back to say some stuff:<BR/>laurao and sydneyr- It's highly unlikely that someone on the island shot the plane down, if there was anyone on the island. Why would they? I guess it could be a secret military island base, like in The Incredibles or Indiana Jones, but I doubt it.<BR/>Also responding to sydneyr and annasophia- I do think that Ralph represents civilization, but not as much as Piggy. Piggy is a lot smarter and more intelligent than the rest, but his appearence and physical ability cause others to make fun of him instead of respect him.robertc2012https://www.blogger.com/profile/08280515115263027342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8869803182933929867.post-82762343264229989272008-09-02T16:09:00.000-07:002008-09-02T16:09:00.000-07:00Carolyn, I 100% agree with your answer, the more I...Carolyn, I 100% agree with your answer, the more I read the book, the more I want to either be put into that situation and handle it differently or, jump into the book and scream at how stupid they are, they just don't seem to understand the situation around them.Lauraohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06649978731866935294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8869803182933929867.post-61002630089454849462008-09-02T16:06:00.000-07:002008-09-02T16:06:00.000-07:00Thanks Sydney R. I agree with what you have to say...Thanks Sydney R. I agree with what you have to say, maybe there are adults around. But there has to be someone around that shot them down, unless it was a plane. Then the children would have seen the other plane. I don't know just something to ponder.Lauraohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06649978731866935294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8869803182933929867.post-76720327035360805832008-09-02T15:36:00.000-07:002008-09-02T15:36:00.000-07:00I have to admit the beginning of the book was a li...I have to admit the beginning of the book was a little confusing but once I talked to some of my fellow classmates the book made a little more sense. The young school boys seemed to be having fun on the island, but I am guessing later on in the book the idea of being stranded on an island with civilization far away will finally take action. Lord of the Flies kind of reminds me of Huckelberry Finn; boys having fun and not really caring about what happens next. It also reminds me of Swiss Family Robinson; a family stranded on an island brought together by what is around the corner (except Swiss Family Robinson was stranded by a crashed ship).annas2012https://www.blogger.com/profile/10191040005908828940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8869803182933929867.post-46096443719724578162008-09-02T15:26:00.000-07:002008-09-02T15:26:00.000-07:00So far, I haven't really enjoyed LOF. I think that...So far, I haven't really enjoyed LOF. I think that it is far too gory and violent for my likings. At first it seemed like a very adventurous book, which I'm sure it is, but I just have gotten the feeling that the book is too bloody and violent. I am getting a little bit confused with all the different characters and I am a little confused at the difference between certain characters such as Jack and Ralph. <BR/><BR/> I do agree with KaeliB, because I also think that piggy should be the true leader of the group because he is the smartest. Maybe he isn't the fittest or fastest, but he definitely has some common sense. Does anybody else agree?Carolyn F.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09961511289763102617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8869803182933929867.post-82140783111823139982008-09-02T14:32:00.000-07:002008-09-02T14:32:00.000-07:00Hey! Well I guess I'm not really sure. The first t...Hey! Well I guess I'm not really sure. The first thing I heard when I mention the book was groans. Everyone says it's really boring. But I also thought that it was interesting that their first thought was that there was no grown-ups. I would be freaking out! I would so be like where is the food? where is the shelter? But then and again thats just me... But everyone else seems to agree that it's weird for all the young boys to be so calm. Something about it is just un-realistic...bayleyk2012https://www.blogger.com/profile/18050366691966582788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8869803182933929867.post-74656722898291980652008-09-02T11:49:00.000-07:002008-09-02T11:49:00.000-07:00I resent how many of you started your posts (Wow! ...I resent how many of you started your posts (Wow! Im 44th)but I agree with much of what was said. I didn't really think about why a passenger plane would be shot down and why none of them seem to know each other like Bridget. But, i disagree with Kyle on how theboys are "naive". I Don't think they are necessarily naive, but mabye are absorbed with what is happening and what has happened around them.<BR/>Oh, and I do admit the way I started my last post was dumb. Sorry! lol<BR/><BR/>Johnjohn chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01313459674908801190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8869803182933929867.post-64697643958226189632008-09-02T08:23:00.000-07:002008-09-02T08:23:00.000-07:00Somewhat confused.A wonderful book though I can te...Somewhat confused.A wonderful book though I can tell. Its full of smart and develping character lines, friendships and morals. Trapping kids on an island is a great relationtonship establisment method. I was fairly confuses about the word references and some references are out of date. However, this was to be excepted. A good start.Austin Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05814099894172903790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8869803182933929867.post-26281922830728616502008-09-02T08:10:00.000-07:002008-09-02T08:10:00.000-07:00Laura O. Thats a really good point!!I hadn't thoug...Laura O. Thats a really good point!!I hadn't thought of that problem before now. That means that there has to be at least one other person that they don't know about near them... and this person can probably handle weapons well. Maybe an adult??SydneyR2012https://www.blogger.com/profile/17159159326284898424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8869803182933929867.post-60616157469661549242008-09-02T07:27:00.000-07:002008-09-02T07:27:00.000-07:00hihialexandriab2012https://www.blogger.com/profile/17454673809812628284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8869803182933929867.post-21974437778452065352008-09-02T07:09:00.000-07:002008-09-02T07:09:00.000-07:00Just one more question... If the plane was shot do...Just one more question... If the plane was shot down, who shot it down?(there are no people on the island)Lauraohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06649978731866935294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8869803182933929867.post-64594852015262331272008-09-02T06:59:00.000-07:002008-09-02T06:59:00.000-07:00I have personally found the second and third chapt...I have personally found the second and third chapters very interesting, although I am confused on some aspects of the text…What is the scar that they talk about? Also I have been annotating on the use of Piggy’s glasses and they seem very important. I have yet to figure that one out. This snake/beastie has me all shook up, just like the little kids do, I cannot figure out if it is real or not. I’ll keep annotating and see what I can find.Lauraohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06649978731866935294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8869803182933929867.post-12212059996960089412008-09-01T20:45:00.000-07:002008-09-01T20:45:00.000-07:00The first chapter of Lord of the Flies was boring ...The first chapter of Lord of the Flies was boring but towards the end of the second chapter is started getting better. In most books when someone is stranded on an island everyone is sad and scared that they won’t be rescued. I thought it was interesting that the boys were excited that there were no grownups and that they were stranded on an island.alisonr2012https://www.blogger.com/profile/03640640408104082085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8869803182933929867.post-68741174727567265662008-09-01T20:30:00.000-07:002008-09-01T20:30:00.000-07:00I have to say this is an odd book. I find it reall...I have to say this is an odd book. I find it really weird that the boys are so excited to be on the island by themselves. Yes, the idea of no adult supervision can be exciting, but the fact that they are stranded there and have to come up with a way to make food for themselves and survive by themselves should scare them in my opinion. It would scare me for sure. But, as the book continutes, the boys are realizing more and more how problematic the situation is and how much trouble they could potentially be in. Also, the struggle for leadership is interesting. Ralph is the given leader, but he really isn't good at it. Jack tries to lead but he honestly doesn't do a very good job. Piggy should be the true leader if anyone would listen to him. Really, it's all very interesting.kaelib2012https://www.blogger.com/profile/01983948676881781092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8869803182933929867.post-23641400400603489552008-09-01T20:29:00.000-07:002008-09-01T20:29:00.000-07:00Also, my very first question was (obviously) where...Also, my very first question was (obviously) where are they? and then how did they get there? Later in the chapter it says something about a plane crash, and then about an atom bomb at the airport from which they came from. I've read to chapter 3, and plan to finish chapter 4 tomorrow. I am still trying to figure these initial questions out!!l Anyone have any ideas?<BR/><BR/>SydneySydneyR2012https://www.blogger.com/profile/17159159326284898424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8869803182933929867.post-58521930765452812922008-09-01T20:24:00.000-07:002008-09-01T20:24:00.000-07:00I think that that was a very interesting and defin...I think that that was a very interesting and definitely true idea of the symbolization in the characters of Ralph and Jack AnnaSophia! I agree completely, and that led my train of thought towards what Piggy represents. I have found some contrasting qualities in piggy, like how one moment he can be quiet and kind of a push-over, and then he gets pushed over the edge and some genius and practical thought comes out of him, or rather he yells it at the group. I think it kind of represents modern day society. They’ll go along with things that they’re told, but as soon as it gets too much they will rebel and give out their own ideas, which are often practical considering that they have been sitting back in the background observing all sides of the situation.<BR/> I was also impressed with how knowledgeable the boys were about how to survive in the wilderness. I would have never thought to put green branches on a fire to make smoke, and to tell the truth I wouldn’t have remembered to use glasses to start a fire! <BR/><BR/>SydneySydneyR2012https://www.blogger.com/profile/17159159326284898424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8869803182933929867.post-33036684596774870592008-09-01T19:34:00.000-07:002008-09-01T19:34:00.000-07:00I feel like all of us are on the same page too, no...I feel like all of us are on the same page too, not physically, but we all pretty much have the same feelings and observations about the bookAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8869803182933929867.post-10779732015898417622008-09-01T19:31:00.000-07:002008-09-01T19:31:00.000-07:00At first this story confused me, and still does a ...At first this story confused me, and still does a bit, but as I read more and learn the symbology of each character and situation everything gets clearer. For example, Ralph represents civilization while Jack represents human greed for power.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8869803182933929867.post-10770762433330183952008-09-01T18:53:00.000-07:002008-09-01T18:53:00.000-07:00I am in the middle of chapter four but is still do...I am in the middle of chapter four but is still don't get why some of the boys are still excited about the aspect of being stranded on an uninhibited island. Also the boy with that birth mark on his face did they ever find him because the little ones are having those nightmares about that snake thing. Over all my first impression would have to be that this book has a good story line but it doesn't explain some things very clearly so it gets a little choppy at some parts.sammiet2012https://www.blogger.com/profile/03808818914310688912noreply@blogger.com