Ashley- Schedules can be a good thing, but things are a lot more exciting if something goes slightly wrong. If anyone has seen Nick And Norah's Infinite Playlist, Their night was a lot more exciting when things went wrong. Even though there wasn't a schedule, they still had a lot of fun.
Laura- This society doesn't have the want of freedom that we had. They're content to be Mildreds and sit around watching tv. But i there was a whole group wanting to challenge the system it would be different.
Ashley- Beatty thinks along the lines of "know thy enemy". He reads the occaisonal quote but if he knows why the book's are bad and what they do, it gives him a goal.
Katie- that is a good point. I think that he might of thought about that but I think he mostly thought about Clarisse and I think that when that woman died he realized Clarrise could have died too and if he saved the woman then it would make him feel better.
Erica - Good point, but can you elaborate a bit more? I understand why it veered off in my point of view, but what about your opinion? I enjoy hearing everyone's opinion.
That is a great point, when Montag was asked if he was happy, he fell apart. When Mildred was asked by Beatty to turn off the 'family' Mildred became flustered becuase she didn't have anything to do.
I don't know about you, but I like to live life as it is, without given structure, excluding school of course. I have systems for completing what needs to be completed, but nothing always falls in the same place
I agree with you when you say that schedules and routines can both make you and break you at the same time. It is good that it keeps you organized everyday. I know, I have my constant schedule that I follow everyday.
However, this does hurt you. It becomes subconcious. Like Stella said how little kids are far more observant than adults because it is new to them. If you repeat your schedule constantly, it is not new to you. You aren't learning anything new, same old same old.
So what scenario is better? Should it be one or the other or a mix of the both?
Peter - When you say that when things go wrong, you say that this causes excitement. Do you mean to say that it is good when bad things happen? Or do you mean a sort of negative excitement?
Leslie- If you can't go away from the schedule or your life is dependent on your schedule then they are not good. Sure they can help some but they need to be less important.
peter- like groundhog day! (i love that movie). They are just stuck in the same place, not really getting anything done. I think that is a pretty good analogy.
Side note: Bradbury read all the books he referenced, these quotes came from his years of reading and are actually real. Fun Fact.
Also I think that it was Bradbury, but I remember that a author in the early to mid 1900's lived in Hollywood. In Hollywood everyone drives everywhere, but this author always walked to his studio and around town in broad daylight.
He was actually followed by a police car because they thought he was up to something because he was being weird. Why is it suspicious to be out of the norm?
It does look like Montag could band together with others and challenge the system but in a government like this what do you think would happen? Remember HB and the pedestrian.
Peter: I don't like Mondays, so I think that that comment was very accurate. Sometimes, I just feel dismal on Mondays, and I don't know why. Mr. Monday (montag) realizes he is missing something, and doesn't fully know what.
johnc- in a way yes. It's not always broken as much as changed. I mean really has anyone here never missed a class due to sickness or a trip or anything?
I agree with you that Beatty is really smarter than he is showing off. It comes down to appearance vs. reality. Maybe he is like the characters in Harrison Bergeron where he doesn't want to offend the less intelligent by being the most intelligent. I think he is hiding who he really is and that is wrong. Society has sealed his mouth and brain shut with cement that has molded him into someone he is not.
Erica-I know this was to tristan but i saw it and i actually have seen a positive ad. I think it was far McCain and it didn't beat down Obama. I think people use negative ads because it's been somewhat proven that people pay more attention to negative ads than positive ads. It's probably also used so that they don't have to mention their plan, whether it be good or bad...
Austin- If he got enough followers or helpers before he broadly announced his thoughts, he couldn't be stopped. Think of Iron Jawed Angels where there were so many girls and they kept taking them prisoner but more kept coming. They could not be stopped and would not take no for an answer. If Montag could do this strategically, he could go against the system and possibly win.
It's funny, we're right next to each other, yet technology has allowed us to resort to online methods to have a simple conversation with each other.
This applies to everyone here. We are all in the same room, within hearing distance of each other, yet we use these computers to talk to each other. How has this changed society? I know we've already talked about this, but it is nice to bring up old topics to discuss sometimes.
Erica- That's true but think "is bad" for this tye of world because then if the people realizes hey wait a second I want to read that book and I don't want to be burned, then rebellion comes and that brings down the current government.
Ashley and Max- If Beatty is smarter than he is showing then why doesn't he show it? Could he be like Clarisse and challenge the system...but have him not actually want to do it like she did?
Ashley: I also have a "schedule" [more like a system... as I explained to Leslie...] that I go through every morning, and in no way am I suggesting that the each individual person has such a severe and threatening need to remain consistent, and it probably won't have a huge lasting impact on our lives. But for those people who depend on the schedule, it's dangerous.
I think somewhere, there needs to be a halfway point, between 'structured schedules' and 'disorganized chaos...'
I'm jumping in. Girls feel a lot of pressure to conform to society. Be skinny, be pretty. But it's an anamoly as well. Don't be too skinny, but don't be fat. Don't think your ugly, but wear make up to fit in, be ourself but fit in with the crowd.
Ashley- Though I'm not sure how schedules came from your previous point, but whatever.
I make it a point to ruin any schedule in any way I can. Except for exercise because routine there improves health.
A schedule is a chain you make for your self, it can be good in that you don't have to decide much, but then the same path gets worn down. Doing the same thing over and over again has the effect of wearing down the mind, but changing things up once in a while refreshes the mind.
A sudden blast of new things helps the mind, so much to explore so much to know. It's new. This is just me and a fraction of society, there are some that can't take the new for whatever reason.
It's weird, the inner circle has a lot of movie references.
Stephanie and everyone else talking about schedules-
Doesn't everyone have some sort of system? Do you get up on school days the same time Monday through Friday? Do you always have a glass of water at dinner? Why not try milk for once. Do you always sleep on the right side of your bed? Everyone has some routine or schedule conciounsly or subconsiously.
Max-Beatty seems fine with the society today, he said he has read the books and thinks of them as gibberish, so i don't think he is trying to start a rebellion.
Tristan- There are many conversations going on right now... and that's why we are having all of this online. It's so that we can have all these conversations. Do you remember the MacB test? Well, we had a large class discussion and people were interrupted and some people were told that they couldn't talk anymore...so this tech isn't hurting our society, in this case it's helping. Which brings up the question: Is tech helping in the 451 society?
Max- then the problem arises say the government finds out that he is starting to gather people they call it treason and send him to prison before he has very many supporters.
I'm going to change this conversation into Monatg. Montag wants to conform to society on the outside. But on the inside, Montag wants to stick out, he wants to read!
Bayley- who wants to be normal??!?!?!!?! it is beyond me why anyone would want to go through life being "just like everyone else". bleh. that's no fun!
Austin- That is why he has to be careful, but if he as followers, the followers could continue his job and gather people. As long as the government can't kill all the people like Clarisse and Montag, eventually something has to happen.
Bayley- Do you honestly thing that guys never feel the pressure to conform to society? It might seem like such a thing only applies to females but that so far off. The pressure may be different but it is still there.
Max- Do you think that so many people would follow Montag if he tried to go against the system? The people like Mildred who just sit at home and don't read probably would be afraid or just against the idea. Also, would people who do read really want to risk losing what they've been hiding from society?
Bayley - That is interesting. As a guy, I must disagree with you. Guys do try to fit in. It's just a bit more subtle. Say a guy joins a football team, and everyone likes him because he can dodge around everyone and get fast touchdowns. Then say he only did this for popularity, not because he likes it. This guy may like playing the piano, but never really wanted to express that, so he joined the football team so he'd look cool. Not all guys are the same, but sometimes we think we're too different. Society has become hard to exist in!
Bernardo- I think that Beatty csme and talked to Montag possibly out of suspicion. He said himself that every fire man has a stage like that and just was attempting to keep Montag on the "right" track. Also, the books were probably always on his mind subconsciously. He looks to the grate when he thinks hes doing something wrong...
Logan- That goes alon with what i said to Max about him killing himself metaphorically through killing the woman.
I agree with you when you say that Beatty's stradegy is "know thy enemy." However, something is wrong here, if their society is supposed to be peaceful and full of fun, should there be enemys out there for them to have to worry about? This goes to show how twisted and hypricriticle their society is.
You bring up a great point. This brings up the question of appearance vs. reality. Maybe this is why he has latched himself onto Montag. Maybe he really sees Montag's passion and yearing to learn. Or maybe he is just suspicious and wants to bust Montag for his thoughts. Time will tell in this book but I still don't trust Beatty 100%.
If Beatty is starting a rebellion who would it be against? The government? The society? The technology? Who is really responsible for twisting their society so tight that its on the verge of its down fall?
There's a song by the Dixie Chicks that says," It's a sad sad story when a mother will teach her daughter that she ought to hate a prefect stranger and how in the world can the words that I say send somebody so over the edge that they'd write me a letter saying that I better shut up and sing or my life will be over." Isn't that the same thing as what Mildred basically said about the old women because she didn't know the old lady.
Bayley- You said guys don't have to worry about conforming. I don't know any guy that this is true with. What makes you think that they don't worry about how they look too? I once had the longest debate with one of my friends about if guys or girls had it tougher. You only thought of the girls. Honestly, think about it. See, girls have the ability to cover up their inperfections while guys don't. I'll give you an example. All of us get zits...haha yes, this is my example, while we get to cover them up, guys don't. And that's just one example... Guys have it just as bad as girls, if not worse. "Since when do guys have to conform?" Since when do they not? Have you ever said "that guy is attractive" or something like that Bayley? Yes, I know you have, girls view guys very similarly to how they view us. If you are saying that we have to conform to fit what they like then you know that they do too. By saying that men don't have to conform to anything is completely wrong and sexist. There are many laws abotu men having to conform and then there's girls... Guys have to conform to just as many things as girls do Bayley, and then they can't cover things up, like we have the option to. Guys can be considered too tall, too short, too overweight, too skinny, etc. All the things that you can list guys have to worry about too... Since when do they NOT have to conform to fit in?
bernardo- honestly, i am 100% behind you on this one. But regretably, unless you want to live in a hole in the ground and forage for turnips to eat, you kindof have to. That's the way the world works. That is what childhood is for. Life just is when you are little, but then you have to grow up. People today are loosing their childhood. They have to have every square inch of time filled with some activity. Children don't have time for childhood today.
Bayley and Erica - I'm jumping into the conversation too!! Think about it from a guy's perspective, okay? Guys are put under the same pressures that girls are put under today too. It's all a race to the top. Who can bench press the most weight, who has straight A's, who did this better, who has the most of this??? Think about it! These are just some of the things that I'm sure guys go through. Sorry if I am making any false assumptions, all you guys out there, but it seems to me that this isn't a problem that only girls go through today. Society tells us that it's all about attracting a significant other.
Now I'm sure many of you guys out there are not only searching for a pretty face, but somone with a good head on her shoulders who's loyal, kind, and loving. But think ahead 50 or so years. Will all the virtues we hold on to become nothing??? All we seem to care about is image. Is that all it is going to be about in the future???
Marie- With your first paragraph that's exactly what I am saying. And with your second, it has always been about image. I don't mean to sound rude like that, but the way we care about image changes. Back in the middle ages it was thought of beautiful to be obese and to have very pale skin. While in the 80s, teased hair was beautiful. Now-a-days, however; we have a lot of different things that we consider pretty, but those differences are very little, there is a different type of pretty image now.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 271 of 271Ashley- Schedules can be a good thing, but things are a lot more exciting if something goes slightly wrong. If anyone has seen Nick And Norah's Infinite Playlist, Their night was a lot more exciting when things went wrong. Even though there wasn't a schedule, they still had a lot of fun.
Laura- This society doesn't have the want of freedom that we had. They're content to be Mildreds and sit around watching tv. But i there was a whole group wanting to challenge the system it would be different.
Good point ashley, he must have read those quotes somewhere...
Ashley-
Beatty thinks along the lines of "know thy enemy". He reads the occaisonal quote but if he knows why the book's are bad and what they do, it gives him a goal.
Katie- that is a good point. I think that he might of thought about that but I think he mostly thought about Clarisse and I think that when that woman died he realized Clarrise could have died too and if he saved the woman then it would make him feel better.
Austin- hopefully try and share it with others and ... CHALLENGE THE SYSTEM!
Erica - Good point, but can you elaborate a bit more? I understand why it veered off in my point of view, but what about your opinion? I enjoy hearing everyone's opinion.
The point of schedules are to get things done more efficently, so that you can goof off in your new found freetime.
hence, in moderation, schedules are a valuable tool.
Stephanie and Ashley,
That is a great point, when Montag was asked if he was happy, he fell apart. When Mildred was asked by Beatty to turn off the 'family' Mildred became flustered becuase she didn't have anything to do.
Laura- Ya, I just googled the name montag, and that popped up.
Does anyone have some thoughts on the whole Monday thing?
I think schedules are meant to be broken. When was the last time something went perfectly on schedule?
Leslie-
Are schedules valuable or are systems?
I don't know about you, but I like to live life as it is, without given structure, excluding school of course. I have systems for completing what needs to be completed, but nothing always falls in the same place
Tristan-
Opinion on what? I already gave you my opinion on why I think it veered off...
Stephanie-
I agree with you when you say that schedules and routines can both make you and break you at the same time. It is good that it keeps you organized everyday. I know, I have my constant schedule that I follow everyday.
However, this does hurt you. It becomes subconcious. Like Stella said how little kids are far more observant than adults because it is new to them. If you repeat your schedule constantly, it is not new to you. You aren't learning anything new, same old same old.
So what scenario is better? Should it be one or the other or a mix of the both?
Peter - When you say that when things go wrong, you say that this causes excitement. Do you mean to say that it is good when bad things happen? Or do you mean a sort of negative excitement?
Leslie- If you can't go away from the schedule or your life is dependent on your schedule then they are not good. Sure they can help some but they need to be less important.
Bayley-
That is a good point. Maybe Montag will get together with others and start to really challenge this system.
peter- like groundhog day! (i love that movie). They are just stuck in the same place, not really getting anything done. I think that is a pretty good analogy.
Erica - I know you gave me your opinion, but can you elaborate on it? Details? Examples?
Peter- montag, monday is the beginning of the week. Is he going to finish the week?
Peter- montag, monday is the beginning of the week. Is he going to finish the week?
Tristan-
Have you seen a positive campaign commercial?
Side note:
Bradbury read all the books he referenced, these quotes came from his years of reading and are actually real. Fun Fact.
Also I think that it was Bradbury, but I remember that a author in the early to mid 1900's lived in Hollywood. In Hollywood everyone drives everywhere, but this author always walked to his studio and around town in broad daylight.
He was actually followed by a police car because they thought he was up to something because he was being weird.
Why is it suspicious to be out of the norm?
It does look like Montag could band together with others and challenge the system but in a government like this what do you think would happen? Remember HB and the pedestrian.
Austin W
Does that mean you break the schedule at school?
And, if you do, why? Or if you don't why not?
Peter: I don't like Mondays, so I think that that comment was very accurate. Sometimes, I just feel dismal on Mondays, and I don't know why. Mr. Monday (montag) realizes he is missing something, and doesn't fully know what.
Kudos on the connection.
Montag starts to think about front porches. Is there any significance from this?
Laura- Yes! lets get some challenging going on! If Guy did that who knows what would happen?
johnc- in a way yes. It's not always broken as much as changed. I mean really has anyone here never missed a class due to sickness or a trip or anything?
Katie-
You bring up that mostly *girls* want to be accepted...
I think it's everyone and that's why there is a society like there is in 451.
Max-
I agree with you that Beatty is really smarter than he is showing off. It comes down to appearance vs. reality. Maybe he is like the characters in Harrison Bergeron where he doesn't want to offend the less intelligent by being the most intelligent. I think he is hiding who he really is and that is wrong. Society has sealed his mouth and brain shut with cement that has molded him into someone he is not.
Erica-I know this was to tristan but i saw it and i actually have seen a positive ad. I think it was far McCain and it didn't beat down Obama. I think people use negative ads because it's been somewhat proven that people pay more attention to negative ads than positive ads. It's probably also used so that they don't have to mention their plan, whether it be good or bad...
Austin- If he got enough followers or helpers before he broadly announced his thoughts, he couldn't be stopped. Think of Iron Jawed Angels where there were so many girls and they kept taking them prisoner but more kept coming. They could not be stopped and would not take no for an answer. If Montag could do this strategically, he could go against the system and possibly win.
Laura-
I think its significant in that even though clarisse isn't there, she still "lives on" in that she changed Montag
Erica - Nope. Don't think so. Have you?
It's funny, we're right next to each other, yet technology has allowed us to resort to online methods to have a simple conversation with each other.
This applies to everyone here. We are all in the same room, within hearing distance of each other, yet we use these computers to talk to each other. How has this changed society? I know we've already talked about this, but it is nice to bring up old topics to discuss sometimes.
Maybe Beatty had someone in his life that's like the Clarisse to Montag.
Erica-
That's true but think "is bad" for this tye of world because then if the people realizes hey wait a second I want to read that book and I don't want to be burned, then rebellion comes and that brings down the current government.
Ashley and Max-
If Beatty is smarter than he is showing then why doesn't he show it? Could he be like Clarisse and challenge the system...but have him not actually want to do it like she did?
Austin W-
I misunderstood there. Yes, now I agree with you
Bernardo-Wierd side note, but cool, and it sounds a ton like in the pedestrian!?!
Max-
it kind of comes down to the type of government. In iron jawed angels they have rights. In HB they can be shot on sight.
Ashley- If Beaty is smart, do you think he could know other people who are as well? Could he be trying to secretly start a rebellion?
Ashley:
I also have a "schedule" [more like a system... as I explained to Leslie...] that I go through every morning, and in no way am I suggesting that the each individual person has such a severe and threatening need to remain consistent, and it probably won't have a huge lasting impact on our lives. But for those people who depend on the schedule, it's dangerous.
I think somewhere, there needs to be a halfway point, between 'structured schedules' and 'disorganized chaos...'
Erica and Katie-
I'm jumping in. Girls feel a lot of pressure to conform to society. Be skinny, be pretty. But it's an anamoly as well. Don't be too skinny, but don't be fat. Don't think your ugly, but wear make up to fit in, be ourself but fit in with the crowd.
Since when do guys have to do that?
Bayley-
I really hope that Guy challenges the system. Hopefully he will find others to help him. But hopefully he will not get caught!
Austin- F451 isn't HB and in HB it was two people not hundreds or thousands. If Montag had enough people he could do anything.
Ashley-
Though I'm not sure how schedules came from your previous point, but whatever.
I make it a point to ruin any schedule in any way I can. Except for exercise because routine there improves health.
A schedule is a chain you make for your self, it can be good in that you don't have to decide much, but then the same path gets worn down.
Doing the same thing over and over again has the effect of wearing down the mind, but changing things up once in a while refreshes the mind.
A sudden blast of new things helps the mind, so much to explore so much to know.
It's new. This is just me and a fraction of society, there are some that can't take the new for whatever reason.
It's weird, the inner circle has a lot of movie references.
Laura- If Guy got caught challenging the system, would the government brainwash him or eliminate him?
Stephanie and everyone else talking about schedules-
Doesn't everyone have some sort of system? Do you get up on school days the same time Monday through Friday? Do you always have a glass of water at dinner? Why not try milk for once. Do you always sleep on the right side of your bed? Everyone has some routine or schedule conciounsly or subconsiously.
Max-Beatty seems fine with the society today, he said he has read the books and thinks of them as gibberish, so i don't think he is trying to start a rebellion.
Tristan-
There are many conversations going on right now...
and that's why we are having all of this online. It's so that we can have all these conversations.
Do you remember the MacB test? Well, we had a large class discussion and people were interrupted and some people were told that they couldn't talk anymore...so this tech isn't hurting our society, in this case it's helping. Which brings up the question: Is tech helping in the 451 society?
Max-
then the problem arises say the government finds out that he is starting to gather people they call it treason and send him to prison before he has very many supporters.
Bayley, Erica and Katie-
I'm going to change this conversation into Monatg. Montag wants to conform to society on the outside. But on the inside, Montag wants to stick out, he wants to read!
Bayley- who wants to be normal??!?!?!!?!
it is beyond me why anyone would want to go through life being "just like everyone else". bleh. that's no fun!
Austin- That is why he has to be careful, but if he as followers, the followers could continue his job and gather people. As long as the government can't kill all the people like Clarisse and Montag, eventually something has to happen.
Bayley- Do you honestly thing that guys never feel the pressure to conform to society? It might seem like such a thing only applies to females but that so far off. The pressure may be different but it is still there.
Ashley-
You're right, everyone does.
It's the difference between being dependent on the schedule or not. The people in F451 are.
Max-
Do you think that so many people would follow Montag if he tried to go against the system? The people like Mildred who just sit at home and don't read probably would be afraid or just against the idea. Also, would people who do read really want to risk losing what they've been hiding from society?
Ashley,
I think this is sort of what Bradbury is talking about.
Max I will respond tonight, the class bell just rang..
Bayley - That is interesting. As a guy, I must disagree with you. Guys do try to fit in. It's just a bit more subtle. Say a guy joins a football team, and everyone likes him because he can dodge around everyone and get fast touchdowns. Then say he only did this for popularity, not because he likes it. This guy may like playing the piano, but never really wanted to express that, so he joined the football team so he'd look cool. Not all guys are the same, but sometimes we think we're too different. Society has become hard to exist in!
Bernardo- I think that Beatty csme and talked to Montag possibly out of suspicion. He said himself that every fire man has a stage like that and just was attempting to keep Montag on the "right" track.
Also, the books were probably always on his mind subconsciously. He looks to the grate when he thinks hes doing something wrong...
Logan- That goes alon with what i said to Max about him killing himself metaphorically through killing the woman.
Leslie-
Why do schedules have to be efficient?
Today, everything is efficient. Why can't my life just be? Why does it have to be efficient according to world view.
Logan- We can continue this conversation at a later time.
Tristan- Thank you for that, it kinda gave me a glimpse into what Logan is thinking. Even if I'm still confused.
Bernardo-
I agree with you when you say that Beatty's stradegy is "know thy enemy." However, something is wrong here, if their society is supposed to be peaceful and full of fun, should there be enemys out there for them to have to worry about? This goes to show how twisted and hypricriticle their society is.
Max-
You bring up a great point. This brings up the question of appearance vs. reality. Maybe this is why he has latched himself onto Montag. Maybe he really sees Montag's passion and yearing to learn. Or maybe he is just suspicious and wants to bust Montag for his thoughts. Time will tell in this book but I still don't trust Beatty 100%.
If Beatty is starting a rebellion who would it be against? The government? The society? The technology? Who is really responsible for twisting their society so tight that its on the verge of its down fall?
There's a song by the Dixie Chicks that says," It's a sad sad story when a mother will teach her daughter that she ought to hate a prefect stranger and how in the world can the words that I say send somebody so over the edge that they'd write me a letter saying that I better shut up and sing or my life will be over."
Isn't that the same thing as what Mildred basically said about the old women because she didn't know the old lady.
Bayley-
You said guys don't have to worry about conforming. I don't know any guy that this is true with. What makes you think that they don't worry about how they look too? I once had the longest debate with one of my friends about if guys or girls had it tougher. You only thought of the girls. Honestly, think about it. See, girls have the ability to cover up their inperfections while guys don't. I'll give you an example. All of us get zits...haha yes, this is my example, while we get to cover them up, guys don't. And that's just one example...
Guys have it just as bad as girls, if not worse.
"Since when do guys have to conform?" Since when do they not? Have you ever said "that guy is attractive" or something like that Bayley? Yes, I know you have, girls view guys very similarly to how they view us. If you are saying that we have to conform to fit what they like then you know that they do too.
By saying that men don't have to conform to anything is completely wrong and sexist. There are many laws abotu men having to conform and then there's girls...
Guys have to conform to just as many things as girls do Bayley, and then they can't cover things up, like we have the option to.
Guys can be considered too tall, too short, too overweight, too skinny, etc. All the things that you can list guys have to worry about too...
Since when do they NOT have to conform to fit in?
bernardo-
honestly, i am 100% behind you on this one. But regretably, unless you want to live in a hole in the ground and forage for turnips to eat, you kindof have to. That's the way the world works. That is what childhood is for. Life just is when you are little, but then you have to grow up. People today are loosing their childhood. They have to have every square inch of time filled with some activity. Children don't have time for childhood today.
Bayley and Erica - I'm jumping into the conversation too!! Think about it from a guy's perspective, okay? Guys are put under the same pressures that girls are put under today too. It's all a race to the top. Who can bench press the most weight, who has straight A's, who did this better, who has the most of this??? Think about it! These are just some of the things that I'm sure guys go through. Sorry if I am making any false assumptions, all you guys out there, but it seems to me that this isn't a problem that only girls go through today. Society tells us that it's all about attracting a significant other.
Now I'm sure many of you guys out there are not only searching for a pretty face, but somone with a good head on her shoulders who's loyal, kind, and loving. But think ahead 50 or so years. Will all the virtues we hold on to become nothing??? All we seem to care about is image. Is that all it is going to be about in the future???
Marie-
With your first paragraph that's exactly what I am saying. And with your second, it has always been about image. I don't mean to sound rude like that, but the way we care about image changes. Back in the middle ages it was thought of beautiful to be obese and to have very pale skin. While in the 80s, teased hair was beautiful. Now-a-days, however; we have a lot of different things that we consider pretty, but those differences are very little, there is a different type of pretty image now.
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